Subject: Duos with alto recorder

From: "Stewart McCoy" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:49:19 +0100

Dear Ken,

One solution is to transpose baroque flute music up by a minor third for the 
treble recorder in F. That way the fingerings stay pretty much the same. 
There is a lot of suitable music on the IMSLP website. See, for example, 
http://imslp.org/wiki/Pi%C3%A8ces_pour_la_fl%C3%BBte_traversiere,_livre_I,_Op.2_(Hotteterre,_Jacques) 
where there is music for baroque flute by Hotteterre, together with an 
alternative version a minor third higher for recorder. It saves having to do 
the transposition yourself.

The other solution is for the recorder player to acquire a voice-flute in D, 
which avoids having to transpose.

There's lots of lovely flute music out there, which adapts well for the 
recorder. I hope you and your friend will have lots of fun playing duets 
next month.

Best wishes,

Stewart McCoy

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From: howard posner
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 5:44 PM
To: Baroque Lute List
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: duos with alto recorder

On Jun 20, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Ken Brodkey <[email-masked]> wrote:

> What about flute? Can the recorder play most baroque flute music

Not without major surgery on most flute parts.  The alto recorder bottoms 
out at first-space F, while the flute goes down to D or C.

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From: Rockford Mjos <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 17:49:18 -0500

Ken,

Are you needing to find things with baroque lute tabs? Or is reading figured bass possible? (I’m guessing you are looking for things in tab.)

— Rocky

On Jun 20, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ken Brodkey <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> A friend's friend will be visiting next month and she's an excellent alto recorder player. I'm trying to find some music for us to play together. Can anyone be so kind to send me some pdf's for baroque lute and alto recorder? What about flute? Can the recorder play most baroque flute music or is the range of the flute to broad?
> 
> Thanks, in advance, for all your help.
> 
> Ken Brodkey
> 
> 
>

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From: Ken Brodkey <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:12:11 -0700

You are guessing right. At this point tabs would be a lot more helpful. 
It looks like it's time, though, to get my act together and learn to 
realize figured bass.

Thanks.

Ken

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From: howard posner <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:34:55 -0700

On Jun 21, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Ken Brodkey <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  It looks like it's time, though, to get my act together and learn to realize figured bass.

You’re going to have a busy month.

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From: Rockford Mjos <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:49:34 -0500

I’m not especially familiar with the Dm rep (having given up on that decades ago), but I feel ensemble pieces for Dm lute are not plentiful.

If you are open to exploring outside the traditional Dm rep, you might start with some of the English grounds. Some are simple enough to for you to figure out. You can write out a basic tab accompaniment for Dm lute and expand upon those as you practice or play. And recorder players often enjoy them.

There are the reconstructed/editorial flute parts created for some Weiss. The Weiss parts are easily available in tab, but you would need to track down the flute parts in the collected works volume, or transcribe them from recordings (if you have them). Or you might devise your own! (OK, that maybe pushing things.

I’ve wondered if some of the Dm duets might serve as the basis for duets with a melody instrument — perhaps transcribing the melody from the tab, and playing the Contrepartie as the basis for the lute part. (Some tab programs may even be able to help a bit with the task.)

For example, some of De Visee’s appear with different instrumentation. The melody might already be transcribed. (Though transpositions may be needed.)

Of course some of the Dm dust have sections where one lute plays solo — so the bass (and harmonies) would be missing. Those types of duets would not be so useful.

Another option is taking a Dm solo, pulling out the melody for the recorder, and using the bass and inner harmonies (possibly thickened up) for the accompaniment.

Or finding some recorder solos you like, finding a modern edition with realized BC and using that as a basis for an in tabulation of the BC part. Sometimes even guitar and recorder editions have useful ideas for arrangements.

Don’t overlook song settings. Personally, I think the historic setting which double the voice (Kremberg, for example, available online) less interesting than when the voice is independent. At the moment I’m looking at a setting of “Till Gruvtolvan” set by Roman Turovsky with a non-double accompaniment.

Sarge Gerbode has some ensemble setting with lute. Although scored for vieil ton lute, he generously has midi files and Fronimo files, that would let you convert the lute to Dm tuning (if you have the software). 

Good luck!

Let us know if you have other ideas, too.

— Rocky

On Jun 21, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Ken Brodkey <[email-masked]> wrote:

> You are guessing right. At this point tabs would be a lot more helpful. It looks like it's time, though, to get my act together and learn to realize figured bass.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ken

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From: Edgar Aichinger <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:22:25 +0200

Am Freitag, 20. Juni 2014, 08:58:23 schrieb Ken Brodkey:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> A friend's friend will be visiting next month and she's an excellent 
> alto recorder player. I'm trying to find some music for us to play 
> together. Can anyone be so kind to send me some pdf's for baroque lute 
> and alto recorder? What about flute? Can the recorder play most baroque 
> flute music or is the range of the flute to broad?
> 

About three weeks ago I posted a link to my scribd site where I occasionally upload my own amateur intabulations/transcriptions of lute and guitar music, the latest addition being Sonata No. VII in d-minor from op.5 by Corelli, a 1:1 intabulation of a B.C. realisation for classical guitar. For that same reason it lacks low basses, and the melody part (for violin) is missing too, but can be found on IMSLP. See my other post from 2nd June for a link. I'm not sure anymore but I think I've played it with my girlfriend on alto recorder and in general it worked for her, and the Continuo may be "guitar-style" but isnice and not hard  to play on lute, IMHO. I just wonder why noone reacted to my previous mail... my efforts may be dilettantic but are they that bad? :)

Apart from that I've done tabs for the B.C. of a few other single movements by different Composers, all 4 movements from Haendel Sonata op. 1/5 in a-minor (I still have printouts of that, which I could scan, but lost the Cripps tab source due to a disk crash), and De Visee (Suite d-minor from the melody/B.C. version starting at p. 45 in the 1686 book). If you're interested in these, mail me privately and I'll see how to pass them on to you, if needed I can scan the melody parts.

Edgar

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From: Rockford Mjos <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 08:57:15 -0500

I think these would be very useful and it shouldn’t be at all hard to locate the missing melody parts.

The Corelli is a little problematic for recorder in the original key (I have an alto recorder version transposed to Gm in my files), but the Sarabanda and Giga would only require a few notes to be transposed up an octave.

Thanks for reminding us for these. 

— R