Subject: Buxtehude and Pachelbel (better layout?)

From: AJN <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:48:34 -0500 (CDT)

Hi, Sterling!

   You were asking about the Buxtehude Suite in E minor (BuxWV
   236) recorded by Walter Gerwig around 1954. In his recordings he
   invariably used modern printed editions in pitch notation.  In this
   case most likely Bo Lundgren's edition (see below).  There is confusion
   because Gerwig transposed the suite from E minor to  C minor, and does
   not provide the BuxWV number.

   The various scores, tablatures, etc., are listed below.

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   The Pachelbel Suite in F sharp minor provides additional confusion.
   One might even suggest a scam by an unscrupulous antiquarian dealer,
   who represented the manuscript as an autograph of Johann Pachelbel
   (1653-1706), copied in Nurnberg (where he worked from 1695 until his
   death)--hence the "Autogr" shelf number.  The dealer's statement in
   writing appears with the manuscripts.

   I examined the manuscriprt in person some years ago.

   The bifolio gatherings had the remains of glue used by the
   bookbinder to attach the paper to the spine.  That is, the pages had
   been gathered from a disbound volume, to make many easily sold
   inexpensive fascicles. To be precise from the disbound manuscripts from
   the Harrach palace in Rohrau, mostly now in the New York Public Library
   (JOG 72-29). Some of those also have remainders of

   binder's glue on the fold. Those separated gatherings include pieces by
   the same copyist, as Marcus Lutz has pointed out.

   Bob Spencer also owned some separated gatherings from the Harrach
   manuscript. And others await discovery.

   That manuscript dates from the mid-eighteenth century, suggesting the
   composer  of Ms autogr 2353b&a is more likely Johann's son, Wilhelm
   Hieronymus Pachelbel (1686-1764).  Probably not the other son, Charles
   Theodore Pachelbel (1690-1750), who resided in Boston before settling
   in South Carolina.<g>  [sorry for the plug.]

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   Citations:

   Buxtehude, Dietrich, 1637-1707.

   Vier Suiten fA 1/4r Clavichord oder Lauten /Diderich Buxtehude ;

   aus der Tabulatur A 1/4bertragen und hrsg. von Bo Lundgren.

   KA,benhavn : EngstrA,m & SA,dring ; New York : C. F. Peters, [pref.
   1954]

   Contains suites in C (BuxWV 231), in F (BuxWV 238),

   in em (BuxWV 236), in F (BuxWV 239) edited from Uppsala,

   Universitetsbiblioteket, Ihre Ms, fols. 17-41 (keyboard tablature for
   clavier).

   Facsimile and grandstaff transcription from the Ryge MS,

   Copenhagen, Det Konglige Bibliotek, Mu6806.1399.

   [1]http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Buxtehude,_Dietrich

   scroll down to Suite in E minor

   Suite BuxWV 236 [in E minor in French lute tablature]
   Composer: Dietrich Buxtehude; (arr. Wilfred Foxe)
   Publisher: [Luebeck] : Tree Edition, (c)2006.

   Title: The Baroque lute.
   Lutenist Walter Gerwig;

   Publisher: Nonesuch Records H 71229. [1969]

   --J. S. Bach BWV 995 Suite in G minor

   --D. Buxtehude Suite (BuxWV 236, performed in c minor)

   --Pachelbel, Suite in f# minor

   LP is Online: [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTX0MycryIA

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   Pachelbel:

   D-Nst (Stadtbibliothek!!) Ms autogr 2353b&a: Suite by "Pachelbel"

   in F# minor and pieces in Bb and C.

   On line facsimile

   [3]https://www.scribd.com/doc/143583318/D-Nst-Ms-2353-a-b-Pachelbel

References

   1. http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Buxtehude,_Dietrich
   2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTX0MycryIA
   3. https://www.scribd.com/doc/143583318/D-Nst-Ms-2353-a-b-Pachelbel

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From: Sterling Price <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 00:45:40 -0600

Many thanks to all who responded-- especially as usual to Arthur for the great information.
Sterling

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From: Sterling Price <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 00:52:21 -0600

One more thought about Walter gerwig-- I had wondered why he used g tuning for baroque works? Was he aware of the work done by Hans neeman in the 1930s on the dminor lute?
Now this is no criticism of gerwig, as I have made many transcriptions of Bach and Handel for the 14 course archlute and I adore playing baroque music on it.
Sterling

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From: Mathias Rösel <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:44:54 +0200

Perhaps that was due to a certain notion of what music mainly consists of,
viz. pitches, rhythm, metre. Specific fingerings (due to strings and
tunings) and resonance (in consequence of the number of courses and their
respective tunings) didn't matter.

Mathias

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One more thought about Walter gerwig-- I had wondered why he used g tuning
for baroque works? Was he aware of the work done by Hans neeman in the 1930s
on the dminor lute?
Now this is no criticism of gerwig, as I have made many transcriptions of
Bach and Handel for the 14 course archlute and I adore playing baroque music
on it.
Sterling

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From: Matthew Farren <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:59:10 +0100

I just signed up to this list and I just wanted to say hello and already a big thank you! The resources you highlighted are terrific. Unfortunately they predict hailstorms here for most of the weekend, so I'll probably spend more time tuning than practicing, but ill certainly be trying some of the buxtehude transcripts.  

Matthew J. A. Farren
Nailsworth, UK. 

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