Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

From: Martyn Hodgson <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:21:07 +0000 (UTC)

Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels
   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half the
   width (roughly 0.57):
   Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323; depth
   185
   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496;  322; 181
   regards
   Martyn
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Luca Manassero <[email-masked]>
   To: baroque-lute <[email-masked]>
   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck
   lute in Leipzing
     Dear common wisdom,
     a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website,
     planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it,
     unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann
     swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video)
     mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
     6x2).
     See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
   the
     first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on
     the page.
     It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it
   must
     be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
     I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell

   ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
   n-h
     offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that
   book
     is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about
     string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't
   find
     the infos anywhere on the website)
     The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven
     Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course
     not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual.
     Anybody out there who has more details about it?
     Thanks a lot,
     Luca
     --
   References
     1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
     2.
   [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho
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From: David Van Edwards <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:21:10 +0000

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Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233

David

At 12:21 +0000 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
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<div>At 12:21 +0000 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;&nbsp; Two other well known lutes
by Johann Christian in the Brussels<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater
than half the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; width (roughly 0.57):<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;
width 323; depth<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; 185<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):
496;&nbsp; 322; 181<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; regards<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Martyn<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
__________________________________________________________________<br>
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&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Luca Manassero &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; To: baroque-lute
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14
course swan-neck<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; lute in Leipzing<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dear common wisdom,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the
Leipzig Museum website,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition
(but had to pass on it,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; unfortunately) - then one day realized that
the pictured Hoffmann<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012,
says the YouTube video)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the
second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6x2).<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; See
[1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; first instrument pictured under Johann
Christian Hoffmann' section on<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the page.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It's a really strange instrument with an
incredibly deep body (it<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; must<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks
so).<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they
sell<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;
([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christ<span
></span>ia<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; n-h<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; offmann.html) has all the measures about that
instrument, but that<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; book<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is really kind of expensive. The Museum's
website doesn't talk about<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; string length and date on this lute (I do
read German and couldn't<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; find<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the infos anywhere on the website)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The YouTube video on the same page shows a
German lutenist (Sven<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck
lute, which is of course<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows
13 courses, as usual.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anybody out there who has more details about
it?<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks a lot,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Luca<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; References<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.
[3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;
[4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-<span
></span>ho<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; ffmann.html<br>
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&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.
http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php<br>
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From: David Van Edwards <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:52:55 +0000

I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead 
to the monster. Beware!
http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm

David

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From: "Rod Blocksidge" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:00:37 -0000

Crikeee.....you could camp in it!

Rod Blocksidge

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To: baroque-lute
Cc: Luca Manassero
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck 
lute in Leipzing

David

At 14:21 +0000 13/2/18, David Van Edwards wrote:
>> http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h

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From: Martyn Hodgson <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:25:24 +0000 (UTC)

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Crickey!  
Same end clasp design as the other two though - is it unique to Hoffmann do you know?.........
Martyn

      From: David Van Edwards <[email-masked]>
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Cc: Luca Manassero <[email-masked]>; baroque-lute <[email-masked]>
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 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing
   
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David
At 12:21 +0000 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
   Two other well known lutesby Johann Christian in the Brussels
   collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greaterthan half the
   width (roughly 0.57):
   Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;width 323; depth
   185
   Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):496;  322; 181
   regards
   Martyn
    __________________________________________________________________

   From: Luca Manassero <[email-masked]>
   To: baroque-lute<[email-masked]>
   Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14course swan-neck
   lute in Leipzing
     Dear common wisdom,
     a couple of years ago I stumbled upon theLeipzig Museum website,
     planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition(but had to pass on it,
     unfortunately) - then one day realized thatthe pictured Hoffmann
     swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012,says the YouTube video)
     mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at thesecond pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
     6x2).
     See[1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
   the
     first instrument pictured under JohannChristian Hoffmann' section on
     the page.
     It's a really strange instrument with anincredibly deep body (it
   must
     be uneasy to hold, or at least it looksso).
     I'm sure the book about Hoffmann theysell

  ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
   n-h
     offmann.html) has all the measures about thatinstrument, but that
   book
     is really kind of expensive. The Museum'swebsite doesn't talk about
     string length and date on this lute (I doread German and couldn't
   find
     the infos anywhere on the website)
     The YouTube video on the same page shows aGerman lutenist (Sven
     Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-necklute, which is of course
     not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows13 courses, as usual.
     Anybody out there who has more details aboutit?
     Thanks a lot,
     Luca
     --
   References
     1.[3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
     2.
  [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho
   ffmann.html
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   3.http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
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<div>At 12:21 +0000 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518514505993_133072">&nbsp;&nbsp; Two other well known lutes
by Johann Christian in the Brussels<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater
than half the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; width (roughly 0.57):<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;
width 323; depth<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; 185<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):
496;&nbsp; 322; 181<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; regards<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Martyn<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
__________________________________________________________________<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Luca Manassero &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; To: baroque-lute
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14
course swan-neck<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; lute in Leipzing<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dear common wisdom,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the
Leipzig Museum website,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition
(but had to pass on it,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; unfortunately) - then one day realized that
the pictured Hoffmann<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012,
says the YouTube video)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the
second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6x2).<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; See
[1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; first instrument pictured under Johann
Christian Hoffmann' section on<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the page.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It's a really strange instrument with an
incredibly deep body (it<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; must<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks
so).<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they
sell<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;
([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christ<span></span>ia<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; n-h<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; offmann.html) has all the measures about that
instrument, but that<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; book<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is really kind of expensive. The Museum's
website doesn't talk about<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; string length and date on this lute (I do
read German and couldn't<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; find<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the infos anywhere on the website)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The YouTube video on the same page shows a
German lutenist (Sven<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck
lute, which is of course<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows
13 courses, as usual.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anybody out there who has more details about
it?<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks a lot,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Luca<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; References<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.
[3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;
[4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-<span></span>ho<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; ffmann.html<br>
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From: David Van Edwards <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:45:28 +0000

Yes, hence his note inside, alas now lost.

   At 15:25 +0000 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:

     Crickey!

     Same end clasp design as the other two though - is it unique to
     Hoffmann do you know?.........

     Martyn
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     From: David Van Edwards <[email-masked]>
     To: Martyn Hodgson <[email-masked]>
     Cc: Luca Manassero <[email-masked]>; baroque-lute
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     Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2018, 14:21
     Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course
     swan-neck lute in Leipzing

     [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course sw

     David

        Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels
        collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half
     the
        width (roughly 0.57):
        Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323;
     depth
        185
        Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496;  322;
     181
        regards
        Martyn

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        From: Luca Manassero <[email-masked]>
        To: baroque-lute <[email-masked]>
        Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
        Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course
     swan-neck
        lute in Leipzing
          Dear common wisdom,
          a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum
     website,
          planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on
     it,
          unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured
     Hoffmann
          swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube
     video)
          mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1,
     6x2,
          6x2).
          See [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:
     it's
        the
          first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann'
     section on
          the page.
          It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body
     (it
        must
          be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
          I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell

     ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-chris
     tia
        n-h
          offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but
     that
        book
          is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk
     about
          string length and date on this lute (I do read German and
     couldn't
        find
          the infos anywhere on the website)
          The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist
     (Sven
          Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of
     course
          not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as
     usual.
          Anybody out there who has more details about it?
          Thanks a lot,
          Luca
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From: Matthew Daillie <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:49:22 +0100

Dear David,

Looks like a sagging beer belly to me. What might be the sonic 
justifications for such an unattractive and awkward shape? Do you think 
it's undergone some mindless repair or been subjected to a rare disease?

Best,

Matthew

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From: spiffys84121 <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:51:52 -0700

I really love 14 course baroque lutes. That low G is heavenly. Ive got
   three liuto attiorbatos that are -15- double courses. The 15th course
   can be C,D or E, depending on the key you're playin.

   At present my very favorite of all lutes are liuto attiorbatos with
   octaves on the basses. And my least favorite lute? An attiorbato with
   single basses. Seriously-- why, but why??

   Sterling

   Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

   -------- Original message --------
   From: David Van Edwards <[email-masked]>
   Date: 2/13/18 7:52 AM (GMT-07:00)
   To: baroque-lute <[email-masked]>
   Cc: Luca Manassero <[email-masked]>
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course
   swan-neck     lute  in Leipzing

   the
   depth
   swan-neck
   website,
   it,
   Hoffmann
   video)
   6x2,
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:34:22 +0100

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