Subject: Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

From: Luca Manassero <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:06:45 +0100

Dear common wisdom,
   a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum website,
   planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on it,
   unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured Hoffmann
   swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube video)
   mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,
   6x2).
   See [1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's the
   first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann' section on
   the page.
   It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body (it must
   be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
   I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell
   ([2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h
   offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but that book
   is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk about
   string length and date on this lute (I do read German and couldn't find
   the infos anywhere on the website)
   The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist (Sven
   Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of course
   not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as usual.
   Anybody out there who has more details about it?
   Thanks a lot,
   Luca

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References

   1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
   2. http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.html

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From: Mathias Rösel <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:18:33 +0100

In the video, Sven tells the kid that it is a lute built in 1727.

Mathias

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   Dear common wisdom,

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References

   1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
   2.
http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.h
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From: David Van Edwards <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:57:26 +0000

I measured it many years ago.

handwritten label: Joh: Christ: Hoffmann // 
Königl. Poln: und Churfl. // Sächs. Jnstrument // 
und Lautenmacher. // Leipzig, 1720. //. plus a 
repair label by Hoffmann dated 1732 Therefore 
conceivable that the swan neck was added then, 
but Hoffmann is usually specific about his 
modifications with labels saying renoviert or 
rebarirt.

14 Courses 2 x 1, 6 x 2  +  6 x 2 @777mm and 1159mm
13 ribs of birdseye maple with 1mm ebony strips between
Triple rose diameters 63 & 75 332mm from the bottom.

Unsually deep body. Pegbox decorated with 
carvings at the sides and the rear. Present belly 
by Hans Jordan of Markneukirchen in 1953; but 
based on the original which still survives in a 
cardboard box in the museum.

A huge German baroque lute with very beautifully 
carved pegbox, fits Baron's description of a 
"deep sack like shape" which he disliked..
According to Hans Jordan's notes there used to be 
another handwritten label, now missing, which 
read:
“Dieser Corpus wurde von mir auf inständiges
Begehren des Herrn Lic. Warlitzen als erstem Besitzer
des Instrumentes so groß und hoch verfertigt."

"Upon the urgent request of Mr. Lic[entiat] Warlitz as the first
owner of this instrument, I have made its body so large
and high."

Better pictures and some details on the MIMO site
http://www.mimo-international.com/MIMO/doc/IFD/OAI_ULEI_M0000504

The museum have a drawing.
Best wishes,

David

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From: Mike Peterson <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:04:27 -0800

Is this the video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8IVOmPOvjI

Mike P
> On Feb 12, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Mathias Rösel <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Von: [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]> [mailto:[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>] Im Auftrag
> von Luca Manassero
>   See [1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: <http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:> it's the
>   ([2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h <http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h>
>   1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php <http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php>
>   2.
> http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.h <http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hoffmann.h>
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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 07:56:25 +0100 (CET)

Yes, that's it.
   Mathias
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   Von: Mike Peterson
   Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course
   swan-neck lute in Leipzing
   Datum: 12.02.2018, 23:04 Uhr
   An: Mathias Roesel
   Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE Lutelist

   Is this the video?
   [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8IVOmPOvjI
   Mike P
   > On Feb 12, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Mathias Rï¿½sel
   <[3][email-masked]>; wrote:
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   [mailto:lute-arc@[6]cs.dartmouth.edu
   <mailto:lute-arc@[7]cs.dartmouth.edu>;] Im Auftrag
   > See [1][8]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:
   <[9]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:>; it's the
   > I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell
   ([2][10]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christi
   an-h
   <[11]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-
   h>;
   > [12]offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but
   that book
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   hoffmann.h>;
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