Subject: Dresden missing pages?

From: Ed Durbrow <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:10:59 +0900

In my digital copy of the Dresden manuscript (I forget where I downloaded it), it seems some pages are missing, for example, on p.80 of 253, there begins a courant in C but the second half is missing. The next page is titled Paisane (I think, the n is weird). There seem to be other places where I noticed a missing page. 
My question is: are these page missing in the original manuscript?

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
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From: Jean-Daniel Forget <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 06:40:51 +0200

Hi Ed

See my facsimiles of thi manuscript at:
http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/Le_manuscrit_de_Dresde.htm

Jean-Daniel

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From: Ed Durbrow <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 12:32:07 +0900

Well, that explains that! 
Who reconstructed this version of the ending? It is quite convincing.

On Oct 28, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Jean-Daniel Forget <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Dear Ed,
> The courante end is lost. This is a possible reconstruction, but this is not by Weiss!
> Jean-Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> Ed Durbrow a écrit :
>> That is the one I was talking about. Sonata N° 40 in C Major I already
>> was guided there by Toshiaki Kakinami.
>> So I see the second page but there is no ending. I just noticed there
>> seems to be an extra measure or two tacked on in the margin, but it is
>> impossible to make out. I wonder if it ends there. Is there a
>> concordance anywhere?
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Jean-Daniel Forget
>> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ed
>>> 
>>>> In my digital copy of the Dresden manuscript (I forget where I
>>>> downloaded it), it seems some pages are missing, for example, on p.80
>>>> of 253, there begins a courant in C but the second half is missing.
>>>> The next page is titled Paisane (I think, the n is weird). There seem
>>>> to be other places where I noticed a missing page.
> <WeissSW40_Courante_end.pdf>

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan

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From: sterling price <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 04:39:42 +0000 (UTC)

I have been fascinated by this courante for 20 years. There was a
   reconstruction done by Hans Neeman of the last line which I find very
   unconvincing. There are two great recordings of sonata 40, the first by
   Stephen Stubbs which is phenomenal. His reconstruction of the courante
   must be magic I think. I transcribed his ending from the cd, and when
   written out on the manuscript, the two notes that happen to be visible
   of the missing part match up perfectly with Stubbs version. And there
   is the recording by Robert Barto. I don't like his version of the
   missing part, but that may just be because I was so used to the Stubbs
   version for so long before. I gave Barto my transcription of the Stubbs
   recording but he did his own. Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I
   think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very best. It just
   doesn't get any better than this---
   Sterling
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   From: Ed Durbrow <[email-masked]>
   To: Jean-Daniel Forget <[email-masked]>; baroque lute
   list <[email-masked]>
   Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:32 PM
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
   Well, that explains that!
   Who reconstructed this version of the ending? It is quite convincing.
   On Oct 28, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Jean-Daniel Forget
   <[1][email-masked]> wrote:
   > Ed Durbrow a Ã©crit :
   >> That is the one I was talking about. Sonata N ° 40 in C Major I
   already
   >> <[2][email-masked]
   >>> See my facsimiles of thi manuscript at:
   [4]http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/
   Le_manuscrit_de_Dresde.htm
   >>> Ed Durbrow a Ã©crit :
   >>>> [5]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   >>>> [6]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   >>>> [7]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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   >>>> [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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   >>
   >> Ed Durbrow
   >> Saitama, Japan
   >> [9]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   >> [10]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   >> [11]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
   >>
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   Ed Durbrow
   Saitama, Japan
   [12]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   [13]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   [14]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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References

   1. mailto:[email-masked]
   2. mailto:[email-masked]
   3. mailto:[email-masked]
   4. http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_manuscrits/Dresde/Le_manuscrit_de_Dresde.htm
   5. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   6. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   7. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   9. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
  10. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
  11. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
  12. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
  13. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
  14. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/

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From: Ed Durbrow <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 15:23:12 +0900

On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, sterling price <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I

I’m dying to know what your other top 3 are.

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan

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From: sterling price <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:31:28 +0000 (UTC)

Ok--these are my top -4- Weiss sonatas to play. (in no particular
   order)
   Sonata 45 in A major
   Sonata 40 in C major
   Sonata 36 in d minor
   Sonata 48 in f# minor
   Sterling
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   From: Ed Durbrow <[email-masked]>
   To: sterling price <[email-masked]>; baroque lute list
   <[email-masked]>
   Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:23 AM
   Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
   On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, sterling price
   <[1][email-masked]> wrote:

     Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I
       think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very best. It
     just
       doesn't get any better than this---

   I'm dying to know what your other top 3 are.
   Ed Durbrow
   Saitama, Japan
   [2]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   [3]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   [4]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/

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References

   1. mailto:[email-masked]
   2. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   3. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   4. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/

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From: "G. C." <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 16:39:08 +0200

36 is the easy one, (but great one) which ev'ryone plays! :)
   G

   On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:31 PM, sterling price
   <[1][email-masked]> wrote:

        Ok--these are my top -4- Weiss sonatas to play. (in no particular
        order)
        Sonata 45 in A major
        Sonata 40 in C major
        Sonata 36 in d minor
        Sonata 48 in f# minor
        Sterling
          ____________________________________________________________
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        From: Ed Durbrow <[2][email-masked]>
        To: sterling price <[3][email-masked]>; baroque lute list
        <[4][email-masked]>
        Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:23 AM
        Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
        On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, sterling price
        <[1][5][email-masked]> wrote:
          Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I
            think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very
     best. It
          just
            doesn't get any better than this---
        I'm dying to know what your other top 3 are.
        Ed Durbrow
        Saitama, Japan
        [2][6]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
        [3][7]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
        [4][8]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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     References
        1. mailto:[9][email-masked]
        2. [10]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
        3. [11]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
        4. [12]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/

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References

   1. mailto:[email-masked]
   2. mailto:[email-masked]
   3. mailto:[email-masked]
   4. mailto:[email-masked]
   5. mailto:[email-masked]
   6. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   7. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   8. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
   9. mailto:[email-masked]
  10. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
  11. https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
  12. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
  13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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From: sterling price <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:43:39 +0000 (UTC)

----- Forwarded Message -----
   From: sterling price <[email-masked]>
   To: G. C. <[email-masked]>
   Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:42 AM
   Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
   Ah dang it--I'm talking about the last d minor sonata in Dresden. The
   one with the killer Allegro. I wrote an insane cadenza for that piece.
   On Barto's volume 8 he lists this as Sonata 36---
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   From: G. C. <[email-masked]>
   To: sterling price <[email-masked]>
   Cc: Ed Durbrow <[email-masked]>; baroque lute list
   <[email-masked]>
   Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:39 AM
   Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
   36 is the easy one, (but great one) which ev'ryone plays! :)
   G
   On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:31 PM, sterling price
   <[1][email-masked]> wrote:

        Ok--these are my top -4- Weiss sonatas to play. (in no particular
        order)
        Sonata 45 in A major
        Sonata 40 in C major
        Sonata 36 in d minor
        Sonata 48 in f# minor
        Sterling
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        From: Ed Durbrow <[2][email-masked]>
        To: sterling price <[3][email-masked]>; baroque lute list
        <[4][email-masked] >
        Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:23 AM
        Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dresden missing pages?
        On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, sterling price
        <[1][5][email-masked]. edu> wrote:
          Sonata 40 is in my top 3 Weiss sonatas. I
            think it shows Weiss--and the Baroque Lute--at their very
     best. It
          just
            doesn't get any better than this---
        I'm dying to know what your other top 3 are.
        Ed Durbrow
        Saitama, Japan
        [2][6]http://www.youtube.com/ user/edurbrow?feature=watch
        [3][7]https://soundcloud.com/ed- durbrow
        [4][8]http://www9.plala.or.jp/ edurbrow/
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     References
        1. mailto:[9]spiffys84121@cs. dartmouth.edu
        2. [10]http://www.youtube.com/user/ edurbrow?feature=watch
        3. [11]https://soundcloud.com/ed- durbrow
        4. [12]http://www9.plala.or.jp/ edurbrow/

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