Subject: warwick citole

From: "julien stryjak luthier" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:21:41 +0100

Hi everybody,

   I'm looking for information about the famous Warwick citole. Does
   anybody know where it is possible to get measurements, or better, a
   drawing of the citole ?

    It is such an important instrument that I believe there must be a
   drawing somewhere ... But I was unsuccessful to find where !

   And next, has the recent Citole symposium in the British museum been
   published ?

   Best wishes to all,

   Julien Stryjak - Luthier
   Luths et instruments `a cordes anciens
   17 rue Sleidan, F-67000 STRASBOURG
   00 33 (0)3 88 45 05 87
   [1]www.julienstryjak.com

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References

   1. http://www.julienstryjak.com/

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From: David Van Edwards <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:19:02 +0000

Dear Julien,

   Have you poked about in the rather badly laid out symposium site

   http://www.trombamarina.com/Citole_Symposium_Nov_2010.html

   particularly the literature page

   http://www.trombamarina.com/Citole_Symposium_Literature.html

   and the linked PDF report on the instrument from the BM

   http://tinyurl.com/66dk4ha

   The woman who is hosting thw site has made at least one simplified copy
   and has a lot of info about it at

   http://www.trombamarina.com/instruments/citole

   Best wishes,

   David

        Hi everybody,
        I'm looking for information about the famous Warwick citole. Does
        anybody know where it is possible to get measurements, or better,
     a
        drawing of the citole ?
         It is such an important instrument that I believe there must be
     a
        drawing somewhere ... But I was unsuccessful to find where !
        And next, has the recent Citole symposium in the British museum
     been
        published ?
        Best wishes to all,
        Julien Stryjak - Luthier
        Luths et instruments `a cordes anciens
        17 rue Sleidan, F-67000 STRASBOURG
        00 33 (0)3 88 45 05 87
        [1]www.julienstryjak.com
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     References
        1. http://www.julienstryjak.com/
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:10:45 +0000 (UTC)

Dear father on the lute list,
   Would you post this reply on my behalf?
   As far as I know, there is no commercially available plan for the
   British Museum citole. The exterior of the instrument has been measured
   by several people, but the decorative carving makes it difficult to
   measure the thickness of the walls and the internal false back makes it
   impossible to measure the thickness of the back (no, the BM will not
   allow a magnet to be dropped inside for use with a inductive
   thicknessing gauge - I asked). Some indication of the thickness of the
   walls can be gleaned from the xrays which are reproduced in "A musical
   Instrument Fit for a Queen" by P. Kevin et al. in The British Museum
   Technical Bulletin Vol. 2. which can be downloaded from the British
   Museum website
   [1]http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/online_journals/technical_rese
   arch_bulletin/bmtrb_volume_2.aspx
   In Chapter 6 of my PhD thesis, I list some measurements for the
   instrument but until I get a decision from my assessors (in another
   three months perhaps?) I can not really share that information.
   A few general measurements for the British Museum citole given in:
   - Kathryn E. Beuhler, 'Retelling the Story of the English Gittern in
   the
   British Museum: An Organological Study, ca. 1300 - Present'
   (Unpublished
   Master's Thesis, University of Minnesota, 2002), p.150.
   - Frederick Crane, Extant Medieval Musical Instruments: A Provisional
   Catalogue by Type (Iowa City: University of Iowa Press, 1972).
   - John Hawkins, A General History of the Science and Practice of Music,
   5 vols. (London: T. Payne and Son, 1776), Vol. 2, p. 344.
   None of these agree exactly. Of these three, the measurements listed by
   Kate Beuhler McWilliams are the most complete (and I think most
   accurate
   since they are with 2mm of the measurements taken by Lewis Jones and me
   in 2003).  Crane offers only length and width. Hawkins gives
   approximate
   measurements in inches and is relatively inaccurate.
   There will be a publication following the November 2010 symposium on
   the
   British Museum citole. It would be a great idea to include at least a
   comprehensive list of measurements for the instrument. I will suggest
   that to the person who is co-ordinating the post-symposium publication.
   It would be so easy to include, I am surprised that no one thought of
   that already. Thanks for the idea.
   best wishes - Alice Margerum

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References

   1. http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/online_journals/technical_research_bulletin/bmtrb_volume_2.aspx